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	<title>Comments on: Why call it &#039;eLearning&#039; when it is clearly NOT eLearning?</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.dontwasteyourtime.co.uk/elearning/why-call-it-elearning-when-it-is-clearly-not-elearning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But ELearning Sounds sexier. I&#039;m using it dammit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But ELearning Sounds sexier. I&#8217;m using it dammit.</p>
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		<title>By: martin lindner</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin lindner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Cross, who seems to have coined the term &quot;e-learning&quot; certainly did envision something like what Stephen Downes and Bryan Alexander later called &quot;e-learning 2.0&quot;. the opposite of CBT/WBT.

but,let&#039;s face it, &quot;e-learning&quot; *has* aquired a meaning, and this is &quot;top-down managed learning&quot;, with clearly separated roles &amp; rights, with LMSs, quizzes and - sometimes - embedded WBTs. the term has been burned, no chance reclaiming it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Cross, who seems to have coined the term &#8220;e-learning&#8221; certainly did envision something like what Stephen Downes and Bryan Alexander later called &#8220;e-learning 2.0&#8243;. the opposite of CBT/WBT.</p>
<p>but,let&#8217;s face it, &#8220;e-learning&#8221; *has* aquired a meaning, and this is &#8220;top-down managed learning&#8221;, with clearly separated roles &amp; rights, with LMSs, quizzes and &#8211; sometimes &#8211; embedded WBTs. the term has been burned, no chance reclaiming it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check!</p>
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		<title>By: David Hopkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eLearning, as a term, is a &#039;moveable fest&#039; and I fully apprecuiate it. What annoys me is simply when someone incorrectly uses the term to try and &#039;prove&#039; that they are eLearners when all they are doing is emailing a PDF or PowerPoint file to a learner. That is not eLearning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eLearning, as a term, is a &#8216;moveable fest&#8217; and I fully apprecuiate it. What annoys me is simply when someone incorrectly uses the term to try and &#8216;prove&#8217; that they are eLearners when all they are doing is emailing a PDF or PowerPoint file to a learner. That is not eLearning.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Kia ora David!&lt;/b&gt;

I am a distance teacher. I am employed at The Correspondence School, Wellington, New Zealand.

I concur with much of what you say with a few provisos.

Distance learners can use CBT and they&#039;re still distance learners. You are right. It&#039;s not really elearning no more than watching TV, a video or DVD could be considered elearning. I am aware that some people (experts?) would call what I&#039;ve just described &#039;elearning&#039;.

Elearning can also be distance learning. In most instances where elearning is used appropriately, the term distance learning can also apply.

If I could draw a Venn diagram in a comment on your blog I would. Distance learning would be a circle in the universal set of all learning methods. Looped into that circle would be elearning.

That means some distance learners are also elearners. Some elearners are not necessarily distance learners, and some distance learners are certainly not elearners.

BUT . . .

&lt;a href=&quot;http://newmiddle-earth.blogspot.com/2009/03/elearning-primer.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The term elearning&lt;/a&gt; has become a moveable feast, I&#039;m afraid. Even CBT (learning from a DVD/TV/video/video-conferencing/taped program/hard-wired program) is shoved into the category of elearning. I am loath to concede that any learning exclusively by these methods alone or even blended-with-other-paper-based-distance-learning techniques is elearning.

&lt;b&gt;Catchya later&lt;/b&gt;
from Middle-earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Kia ora David!</b></p>
<p>I am a distance teacher. I am employed at The Correspondence School, Wellington, New Zealand.</p>
<p>I concur with much of what you say with a few provisos.</p>
<p>Distance learners can use CBT and they&#8217;re still distance learners. You are right. It&#8217;s not really elearning no more than watching TV, a video or DVD could be considered elearning. I am aware that some people (experts?) would call what I&#8217;ve just described &#8216;elearning&#8217;.</p>
<p>Elearning can also be distance learning. In most instances where elearning is used appropriately, the term distance learning can also apply.</p>
<p>If I could draw a Venn diagram in a comment on your blog I would. Distance learning would be a circle in the universal set of all learning methods. Looped into that circle would be elearning.</p>
<p>That means some distance learners are also elearners. Some elearners are not necessarily distance learners, and some distance learners are certainly not elearners.</p>
<p>BUT . . .</p>
<p><a href="http://newmiddle-earth.blogspot.com/2009/03/elearning-primer.html" rel="nofollow">The term elearning</a> has become a moveable feast, I&#8217;m afraid. Even CBT (learning from a DVD/TV/video/video-conferencing/taped program/hard-wired program) is shoved into the category of elearning. I am loath to concede that any learning exclusively by these methods alone or even blended-with-other-paper-based-distance-learning techniques is elearning.</p>
<p><b>Catchya later</b><br />
from Middle-earth</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 00:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to agree with the previous comment.  These terms don&#039;t have any accepted definition and &#039;Google&#039; isn&#039;t it.  eLearning could be taken to mean learning via electronic means (which is what the &#039;e&#039; means).  I agree with your position on the 2.0 moniker, but eLearning in my mind is broader than your definitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to agree with the previous comment.  These terms don&#8217;t have any accepted definition and &#8216;Google&#8217; isn&#8217;t it.  eLearning could be taken to mean learning via electronic means (which is what the &#8216;e&#8217; means).  I agree with your position on the 2.0 moniker, but eLearning in my mind is broader than your definitions.</p>
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		<title>By: del.icio.us Bookmarks vom 26. März : KOMA medien eLearning Blog &#38; Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>del.icio.us Bookmarks vom 26. März : KOMA medien eLearning Blog &#38; Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but I disagree. &quot;E-learning&quot; is an inclusive over-arching umbrella, which includes all forms of &quot;electronic&quot; learning. DL, CBT, WBT, OL, etc. are subsets of e-learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but I disagree. &#8220;E-learning&#8221; is an inclusive over-arching umbrella, which includes all forms of &#8220;electronic&#8221; learning. DL, CBT, WBT, OL, etc. are subsets of e-learning.</p>
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